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Is it still possible for the characters to keep up?
Topic Started: Jul 10 2016, 10:31 AM (3,658 Views)
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I know this is wishful thinking at this point but can the other characters still keep with Goku and Vegeta?
Edited by G.G., Jul 10 2016, 10:32 AM.
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Probably not considering they're Gods now. :( :(
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Easily. If Gohan, Goten, and Trunks were to dedicate themselves to training with Whis then they could likely catch back up within a few months. The hybrids have a tendency of doing that. If the writers had the creativity and pragmatism to do so then even Piccolo could plausibly catch up via God Ki acquisition through the Namekian Book of Legends, intense training with Whis, and learning how to use the Kaioken. These are just pipe dreams, though. Who knows why the writers won't extend the hand of relevancy to anyone else - incompetency, lack of desire, wanting to focus exclusively on two characters, take your pick.
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No. This is one of Super's problems, which started back in Z but has simply been exaggerated greatly here. At this point, it would take a long number of years training – and Goku and Vegeta sitting around not training – or another slew of asspull plot devices to get Piccolo and company back up to the same level as Goku and Vegeta, and even then those two would probably have a handful of new transformations to utilize. It's bad writing, in my opinion, when you have to come up with the silliest and most extreme ways for one character to reach the level of another, because you've made the latter character so ludicrously stronger than everyone else. I'd rather they just "reset" everything than find some convoluted way for Piccolo and the others to catch up.
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Nah, they're the only relevant main characters now. Everyone else? Essentially canon fodder or just there for exposition and stuff.
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Not a chance. I can't really think to explain why, but it just isn't happening. Those characters kind of got the middle finger as far as relevance.

It would be funny though if at the end everyone gets much stronger than Goku and Vegeta with no way of the two catching up.
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I was just thinking about how important Gohan was in Z, and now he is literally trash in Super. f*** that. Gohan was literally my favorite character, I hate to see him thrown in the garbage like that.
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I don't see why the hybrids couldn't with a little training from Whis. Gohan caught up with ssj2 Goku and Vegeta and surpassed them from one day of Z sword training. Unless god ki is exclusive to pure saiyans I don't see why they couldn't catch up, I mean Frieza did it in 4 months. Piccolo and the humans should have been taught kaioken, it doesn't mix with ssj but there's no reason the others couldn't utilise it. Plus Piccolo could always abuse Namekian fusion for some massive gains.

I'm sure the writers must have had Gohan's training revelation for a reason, they've got to be planning something for him surely.
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No as sucky as it seems. Not even Piccolo, Gohan, Future Trunks, or Goten will be able to keep up with them at this point. I'd say there's a slight hope for Future Trunks and maybe Gohan.
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Jul 11 2016, 10:06 AM
I don't see why the hybrids couldn't with a little training from Whis. Gohan caught up with ssj2 Goku and Vegeta and surpassed them from one day of Z sword training. Unless god ki is exclusive to pure saiyans I don't see why they couldn't catch up, I mean Frieza did it in 4 months. Piccolo and the humans should have been taught kaioken, it doesn't mix with ssj but there's no reason the others couldn't utilise it. Plus Piccolo could always abuse Namekian fusion for some massive gains.

I'm sure the writers must have had Gohan's training revelation for a reason, they've got to be planning something for him surely.
Freeza's already a freak of nature, and to be honest, we have no idea about the power capacity of his race, but given the fact that Freeza was lightyears ahead of 99% of almost everyone else in the Universe with little training says something.

As for the OP, I don't see anyone catching up to Goku and Vegeta at this point; unless they get training from Whis. Goku and Vegeta with God ki are in completely unnatural territory at this point; and even they were incapable of achieving that power without Whis's guidance.

Hit is the only non-God character we've seen be able to match Super Saiyan Blue, but he's from a completely different reality, and even Whis and Beerus stated that Black has weird ki that they recognized from somewhere... likely not natural if they took note of it.

However, given the parameters, I think Trunks could get training from Whis simply because he's likely the strongest being in his reality (outside the Gods and Black... who is likely a god or at least associated with them).
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Lots of people seem to forget the manga specifically pointing out that Gohan still has the dormant power to push past both Goku and Vegeta... He still is capable of it, it's just Super's writers already have their minds' set on raising Goku and Vegeta as high as possible and using everyone else as just fodder for emotional cheapshots.

Edit: Which I've already kind of just accepted. Just got used to it by seeing everyone else as cardboard cutouts that aren't the actual characters, the actual characters are out relaxing until the 28th Budokai Tenkaichi.
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Lots of people seem to forget the manga specifically pointing out that Gohan still has the dormant power to push past both Goku and Vegeta... He still is capable of it, it's just Super's writers already have their minds' set on raising Goku and Vegeta as high as possible and using everyone else as just fodder for emotional cheapshots.
Gohan was never stated to have any more hidden reserves past his Elder Kai awakening.
Seems like he's on his own now.
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I know this is wishful thinking at this point but can the other characters still keep with Goku and Vegeta?


Yes if the plot requires them to be. It's pretty obvious actually and you should know it since it is an anime/cartoon.
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Lots of people seem to forget the manga specifically pointing out that Gohan still has the dormant power to push past both Goku and Vegeta... He still is capable of it, it's just Super's writers already have their minds' set on raising Goku and Vegeta as high as possible and using everyone else as just fodder for emotional cheapshots.
Gohan was never stated to have any more hidden reserves past his Elder Kai awakening.
Seems like he's on his own now.
In the Super manga whilst they were waiting for the tournament I still recall Vegeta making mention of Gohan's hidden power and why he wasn't brought with.

Chapter 5 specifically.
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Of course it's possible for the other Saiyans and Piccolo to keep up, it's simply a matter of the writers knowing what to do with the characters. The reason Gohan was shafted is Toriyama simply didn't know what to do with him.
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In the Super manga whilst they were waiting for the tournament I still recall Vegeta making mention of Gohan's hidden power and why he wasn't brought with.

He also mentions that Gohan's potential exceeds that of himself and Goku in episode 30.
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